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	<title>Comments on: Raoul Moat: Rapist, abuser and control freak.</title>
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		<title>By: john eggleston</title>
		<link>http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/raoul-moat-rapist-abuser-and-control-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-7105</link>
		<dc:creator>john eggleston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 03:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and yes there are misandrist overtones to this whole piece which the writer shows their own hatred, while saying hatred from anyone else is wrong, he insinuates that anyone supporting moat does so out of hatred for women but this is not the case, mistrust for women, maybe, but then women aren&#039;t cheating on men (they never do it), and women aren&#039;t diminishing or depreciating mens trust for women (how can they be, women are whiter than white), so it&#039;s a bit more complicating and deeper than the writer ever seems to acknowledge, we only know what we learn as we are growing up and building our idea of the world around us, so why are so many mens views that women can&#039;t be trusted. moat is a different case, domestic violence and abuse is one thing, but when you analyse a gender you have to be prepared to go a bit deeper than this writer was capable of going... his reasons for that were his own agenda

still me til they kill me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yes there are misandrist overtones to this whole piece which the writer shows their own hatred, while saying hatred from anyone else is wrong, he insinuates that anyone supporting moat does so out of hatred for women but this is not the case, mistrust for women, maybe, but then women aren&#8217;t cheating on men (they never do it), and women aren&#8217;t diminishing or depreciating mens trust for women (how can they be, women are whiter than white), so it&#8217;s a bit more complicating and deeper than the writer ever seems to acknowledge, we only know what we learn as we are growing up and building our idea of the world around us, so why are so many mens views that women can&#8217;t be trusted. moat is a different case, domestic violence and abuse is one thing, but when you analyse a gender you have to be prepared to go a bit deeper than this writer was capable of going&#8230; his reasons for that were his own agenda</p>
<p>still me til they kill me</p>
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		<title>By: Squeak</title>
		<link>http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/raoul-moat-rapist-abuser-and-control-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-7104</link>
		<dc:creator>Squeak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 03:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seek help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seek help.</p>
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		<title>By: john eggleston</title>
		<link>http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/raoul-moat-rapist-abuser-and-control-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-7102</link>
		<dc:creator>john eggleston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 03:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just praised moat because he shot a pig. I hate the pigs and would happily shoot one of the corrupt scum that they are myself. I have no issues with domestic violence involved, i&#039;m not someone who indulges in any of this behaviour, and i have seen its effects first hand with my parents. i have no sympathy for the pigs, i watched sky news day after day hoping he would shoot more of them, still saying it, hopefully the next raoul moat will be more successful in putting one of the pigs in their graves... from you know who, john eggleston, the target.. fuck the pigs up the arse till the die they kill me, fucking lowlife pig scum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just praised moat because he shot a pig. I hate the pigs and would happily shoot one of the corrupt scum that they are myself. I have no issues with domestic violence involved, i&#8217;m not someone who indulges in any of this behaviour, and i have seen its effects first hand with my parents. i have no sympathy for the pigs, i watched sky news day after day hoping he would shoot more of them, still saying it, hopefully the next raoul moat will be more successful in putting one of the pigs in their graves&#8230; from you know who, john eggleston, the target.. fuck the pigs up the arse till the die they kill me, fucking lowlife pig scum</p>
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		<title>By: Yer granny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yer granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v2LmM_FO-U&amp;feature=related

Power and Control video</description>
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<p>Power and Control video</p>
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		<title>By: Yer granny</title>
		<link>http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/raoul-moat-rapist-abuser-and-control-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-3297</link>
		<dc:creator>Yer granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan Stark on Coercive Control

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLlXXt6WNsM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan Stark on Coercive Control</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLlXXt6WNsM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLlXXt6WNsM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yer granny</title>
		<link>http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/raoul-moat-rapist-abuser-and-control-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-3296</link>
		<dc:creator>Yer granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tough Guise by Jackson Katz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3exzMPT4nGI

would also recommend the Macho Paradox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tough Guise by Jackson Katz</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3exzMPT4nGI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3exzMPT4nGI</a></p>
<p>would also recommend the Macho Paradox</p>
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		<title>By: Yer granny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yer granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good booklet for male victims of domestic abuse

http://www.respect.uk.net/data/files/booklet_for_male_victims__2010.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good booklet for male victims of domestic abuse</p>
<p><a href="http://www.respect.uk.net/data/files/booklet_for_male_victims__2010.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.respect.uk.net/data/files/booklet_for_male_victims__2010.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yer granny</title>
		<link>http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/raoul-moat-rapist-abuser-and-control-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-3294</link>
		<dc:creator>Yer granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant article Lydia!  Roual Moat was an abusive psychopath and people who see him as a hero are repulsive.  Women being horrible to men even hitting them is is not the same as women&#039;s experience of men&#039;s violence.

I would recommend Evan Stark&#039;s &quot;Coercive control: how men entrap women in their personal lives&quot; and Lundy Bancroft&#039;s book: &quot;Why does he do that&quot; but Jackson Katz&#039;s stuff is also fantastic.

Research done on male victims actually shows that male victims more readily report abuse than women and are more likely to state that it is the perpetrator&#039;s fault than female victims who often blame themselves, the evidence also indicates that many male victims (though obviously not them all) are actually perpetrators mascarading as victims.

The Strathclyde Task Force to tackle domestic abuse (where the police pro actively target serial and serious domestic abuse offenders) have targetted 300 offenders, 298 are men!  99.4% have been men, 0.6% have been women - almost an anomoly.

Women&#039;s abuse of men should not be acceptable but it should also not be seen as a mirror image of men&#039;s violence against women because it is very different!

This article is not about whether it happens to men or not but about the brutal torture of Sam Stobbart who committed continued acts of serious harm towards her and their child and murdered her partner.  Moat is a monster, to deflect his monstrous acts into &quot;men are abused too, is horrendous and inhumane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant article Lydia!  Roual Moat was an abusive psychopath and people who see him as a hero are repulsive.  Women being horrible to men even hitting them is is not the same as women&#8217;s experience of men&#8217;s violence.</p>
<p>I would recommend Evan Stark&#8217;s &#8220;Coercive control: how men entrap women in their personal lives&#8221; and Lundy Bancroft&#8217;s book: &#8220;Why does he do that&#8221; but Jackson Katz&#8217;s stuff is also fantastic.</p>
<p>Research done on male victims actually shows that male victims more readily report abuse than women and are more likely to state that it is the perpetrator&#8217;s fault than female victims who often blame themselves, the evidence also indicates that many male victims (though obviously not them all) are actually perpetrators mascarading as victims.</p>
<p>The Strathclyde Task Force to tackle domestic abuse (where the police pro actively target serial and serious domestic abuse offenders) have targetted 300 offenders, 298 are men!  99.4% have been men, 0.6% have been women &#8211; almost an anomoly.</p>
<p>Women&#8217;s abuse of men should not be acceptable but it should also not be seen as a mirror image of men&#8217;s violence against women because it is very different!</p>
<p>This article is not about whether it happens to men or not but about the brutal torture of Sam Stobbart who committed continued acts of serious harm towards her and their child and murdered her partner.  Moat is a monster, to deflect his monstrous acts into &#8220;men are abused too, is horrendous and inhumane.</p>
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		<title>By: Squeak</title>
		<link>http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/raoul-moat-rapist-abuser-and-control-freak/comment-page-1/#comment-3293</link>
		<dc:creator>Squeak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All I&#039;m saying is that it happens to men too&quot;

This was not necessary though. There is nobody here saying it doesn&#039;t; you&#039;re derailing a discussion about what constitutes the vast majority of abuse like this, which is man on woman violence between intimate partners. Your point was totally unnecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All I&#8217;m saying is that it happens to men too&#8221;</p>
<p>This was not necessary though. There is nobody here saying it doesn&#8217;t; you&#8217;re derailing a discussion about what constitutes the vast majority of abuse like this, which is man on woman violence between intimate partners. Your point was totally unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women&#039;s abuse is extremely under reported also. And add to that that around 1 in 200 rapes ever end in conviction, women are repeatedly told not to bother reporting abuse and it was probably their fault anyway.

The point is, of course some men are abused and it is awful and they deserve support. But that doesn&#039;t change the fact that there is a control system called patriarchy that tells men that women are their property and that they are free to abuse them with little consequence. You wouldn&#039;t go on a blog post about a man being abused and point out how a considerably higher percentage of women are abused and how this is encouraged through the way women are presented in the media and wank rags. So why are you on here, trying to discredit the article which points out the horrific abuse Sam Stobbart faced and how vilified she has been subsequently for the crimes of being both a woman and an abused woman. The article is about patriarchy and the glorification of abusive men (nb you&#039;d never see glorification of an abusive woman) other than wanting to be like &#039;feminists have the wrong idea about abuse&#039;, which offends me. I appreciate your concern for ALL abused people but there&#039;s nothing untrue or misleading in this article so why are you doing the typical patriarchy-denying thing of trying to lessen the impact of the brutality of abusive men and abusive-male supporting society?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women&#8217;s abuse is extremely under reported also. And add to that that around 1 in 200 rapes ever end in conviction, women are repeatedly told not to bother reporting abuse and it was probably their fault anyway.</p>
<p>The point is, of course some men are abused and it is awful and they deserve support. But that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that there is a control system called patriarchy that tells men that women are their property and that they are free to abuse them with little consequence. You wouldn&#8217;t go on a blog post about a man being abused and point out how a considerably higher percentage of women are abused and how this is encouraged through the way women are presented in the media and wank rags. So why are you on here, trying to discredit the article which points out the horrific abuse Sam Stobbart faced and how vilified she has been subsequently for the crimes of being both a woman and an abused woman. The article is about patriarchy and the glorification of abusive men (nb you&#8217;d never see glorification of an abusive woman) other than wanting to be like &#8216;feminists have the wrong idea about abuse&#8217;, which offends me. I appreciate your concern for ALL abused people but there&#8217;s nothing untrue or misleading in this article so why are you doing the typical patriarchy-denying thing of trying to lessen the impact of the brutality of abusive men and abusive-male supporting society?</p>
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