Comments on: “Have a bike round the head ya cunt…” http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/have-a-bike-round-the-head-ya-cunt/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:47:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: James N http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/have-a-bike-round-the-head-ya-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5621 James N Mon, 01 Nov 2010 22:14:55 +0000 http://ssy.org.uk/?p=3304#comment-5621 I'd just like to thank Oglach for avoiding sweeping generalisations and corny cliches. Oh and cheers for the constructive, comradely message. I’d just like to thank Oglach for avoiding sweeping generalisations and corny cliches. Oh and cheers for the constructive, comradely message.

]]> By: Jack http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/have-a-bike-round-the-head-ya-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5609 Jack Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:01:15 +0000 http://ssy.org.uk/?p=3304#comment-5609 "I think one only has to look at recent activity surrounding SSY when they confronted EDL/BNP/NF at George Square recently, the girl who appeared to be the organ grinder was thanking the forces of the crown for the way they handled things. Seriously what was that all about? Since when did Socialists start thanking the cops?" so observing one person who you don't know who they are is a basis to condemn us all? How do you even know they were a member of SSY? We take part in the Scottish Anti Fascist Alliance for this kind of stuff, we're just one of several groups/individuals involved. Maybe you should get involved? http://scottishantifascist.org.uk/ "the SSP as far as I am concerned are finished after after the whole Sheridangate scandal." That might be your opinion, but we appear to still be here and doing stuff, so maybe you're wrong? We've got nothing to be ashamed of re TS, we stood up to misogyny and lies and we're proud of it. "At this present moment the working class have a much bigger war on our hands as we are faced with billions worth of cuts whilst the tories let big business off with massive tax bills. . .I would urge all who post here to support the SNP nationally" The same SNP that's away to pass on Tory cuts to us through the Scottish budget, and doing nothing serious to challenge their legitimacy as an unelected government of Scotland? At least we're trying to stand up to them "Start to do more work locally off their own backs via different community greatest." Don't understand what that means? We're involved in lots of community work, in my area check out the Burgh Angel and similar projects to bring together people wanting to fight back in the community. All in all, a sniping post of having a go over a lot of pish, with no constructive alternatives but to support the SNP?!? Thanks for that. “I think one only has to look at recent activity surrounding SSY when they confronted EDL/BNP/NF at George Square recently, the girl who appeared to be the organ grinder was thanking the forces of the crown for the way they handled things. Seriously what was that all about? Since when did Socialists start thanking the cops?”

so observing one person who you don’t know who they are is a basis to condemn us all? How do you even know they were a member of SSY? We take part in the Scottish Anti Fascist Alliance for this kind of stuff, we’re just one of several groups/individuals involved. Maybe you should get involved? http://scottishantifascist.org.uk/

“the SSP as far as I am concerned are finished after after the whole Sheridangate scandal.”

That might be your opinion, but we appear to still be here and doing stuff, so maybe you’re wrong? We’ve got nothing to be ashamed of re TS, we stood up to misogyny and lies and we’re proud of it.

“At this present moment the working class have a much bigger war on our hands as we are faced with billions worth of cuts whilst the tories let big business off with massive tax bills. . .I would urge all who post here to support the SNP nationally”

The same SNP that’s away to pass on Tory cuts to us through the Scottish budget, and doing nothing serious to challenge their legitimacy as an unelected government of Scotland? At least we’re trying to stand up to them

“Start to do more work locally off their own backs via different community greatest.”

Don’t understand what that means? We’re involved in lots of community work, in my area check out the Burgh Angel and similar projects to bring together people wanting to fight back in the community.

All in all, a sniping post of having a go over a lot of pish, with no constructive alternatives but to support the SNP?!? Thanks for that.

]]> By: Liam T http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/have-a-bike-round-the-head-ya-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5608 Liam T Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:50:33 +0000 http://ssy.org.uk/?p=3304#comment-5608 It was not solely SSY who confronted the BNP and SDL in September... and it definitely wasn't us thanking the cops. Go read our report from the Killie anti-SDL mobilisation and that should clear us from that particular allegation! You're quite right, socialists shouldn't rely on the state to combat fascism. Many of us are involved in "community work". We're involved in lots of things. Re. the SNP... so I take it they'll be putting an anti-cuts, defiance budget through the parliament in a few weeks then? As if. They're going to try and blame westminster while doing the Tories dirty work for them. Scotland's Champions.. lol It was not solely SSY who confronted the BNP and SDL in September… and it definitely wasn’t us thanking the cops. Go read our report from the Killie anti-SDL mobilisation and that should clear us from that particular allegation! You’re quite right, socialists shouldn’t rely on the state to combat fascism.

Many of us are involved in “community work”. We’re involved in lots of things.

Re. the SNP… so I take it they’ll be putting an anti-cuts, defiance budget through the parliament in a few weeks then? As if. They’re going to try and blame westminster while doing the Tories dirty work for them. Scotland’s Champions.. lol

]]> By: Oglach http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/have-a-bike-round-the-head-ya-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-5603 Oglach Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:06:31 +0000 http://ssy.org.uk/?p=3304#comment-5603 Fianna may have went about things the wrong way in his criticisms of SSY/SSP etc but his points are very valid. As a seasoned republican and political campaigner based in Glasgow I have worked alongside many "socialists" and much of what they say and do has no substance. On occasions when we have tried to get them onboard we have been met with vacant expressions. Yet as soon as there is a need for an anti Israel demo or what not they are throthing at the mouths. I think one only has to look at recent activity surrounding SSY when they confronted EDL/BNP/NF at George Square recently, the girl who appeared to be the organ grinder was thanking the forces of the crown for the way they handled things. Seriously what was that all about? Since when did Socialists start thanking the cops? I don't support the tactics of dissident Republicans, but I will not condem them either. I defend the right of every Irish man, woman and child to pick up weapons to defeat the imperialist forces. At this present moment the working class have a much bigger war on our hands as we are faced with billions worth of cuts whilst the tories let big business off with massive tax bills, the rich will get richer and the poor well we're fucked. We need to work together more than ever before. Community work is the way forward, the SSP as far as I am concerned are finished after after the whole Sheridangate scandal. I would urge all who post here to support the SNP nationally and start to do more work locally off their own backs via different community greatest. In the words of a great Scotish/Irish Socialist and Republican "The great only appear great because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" Fianna may have went about things the wrong way in his criticisms of SSY/SSP etc but his points are very valid. As a seasoned republican and political campaigner based in Glasgow I have worked alongside many “socialists” and much of what they say and do has no substance. On occasions when we have tried to get them onboard we have been met with vacant expressions. Yet as soon as there is a need for an anti Israel demo or what not they are throthing at the mouths.

I think one only has to look at recent activity surrounding SSY when they confronted EDL/BNP/NF at George Square recently, the girl who appeared to be the organ grinder was thanking the forces of the crown for the way they handled things. Seriously what was that all about? Since when did Socialists start thanking the cops?

I don’t support the tactics of dissident Republicans, but I will not condem them either. I defend the right of every Irish man, woman and child to pick up weapons to defeat the imperialist forces.

At this present moment the working class have a much bigger war on our hands as we are faced with billions worth of cuts whilst the tories let big business off with massive tax bills, the rich will get richer and the poor well we’re fucked. We need to work together more than ever before. Community work is the way forward, the SSP as far as I am concerned are finished after after the whole Sheridangate scandal. I would urge all who post here to support the SNP nationally and start to do more work locally off their own backs via different community greatest.

In the words of a great Scotish/Irish Socialist and Republican “The great only appear great because we are on our knees. Let us rise!”

]]> By: James N http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/have-a-bike-round-the-head-ya-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-3558 James N Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:36:21 +0000 http://ssy.org.uk/?p=3304#comment-3558 PS don't see the need to ban fianna for his post here. His politics may be shite but it's good to have someone around who forces you to test your ideas out. Don't think he was being particularly abusive. PS don’t see the need to ban fianna for his post here. His politics may be shite but it’s good to have someone around who forces you to test your ideas out. Don’t think he was being particularly abusive.

]]> By: James N http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/have-a-bike-round-the-head-ya-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-3557 James N Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:33:22 +0000 http://ssy.org.uk/?p=3304#comment-3557 This is ridiculous fantasy. The violence of the War of Independence which led to Britain ceding control of the 26 Counties? Historically justified, particularly as it had the support of the bulk of the Irish people. The RIRA on the other hand, are a tiny terrorist entity trying to use their bombs to cause an escalation in State repression and consequently, as the theory goes, renewed resistance. Despite the fact that almost no-one, anywhere, has any appetite for this scenario. Paul, I have no idea why you expect us to defend the existing settlement, clearly it is an opportunistic stitch-up designed to enable the development of the economy on a 'normalised' capitalist basis, with increased exploitation of the working class and the opening up of new markets, integration into the European economy, privatisations etc. And of course the current 'peace' is unlikely to be viable in the medium-term as partition will always provoke antagonisms and the skeleton of the Orange State is still in place. But, if YOU knew anything about "the situation in Northern Ireland" you would know that support for the type of armed struggle practised in the past by the Provos and currently by the 'dissidents' has collapsed in the last 20 years, including among many who were previously its firmest supporters - and I am talking about the general population, not the political leaderships. If the GFA has in any sense brought re-unification any closer, it is simply in the recognition that the Provo campaign was ultimately proving counter-productive. There is an opportunity now for revolutionaries to formulate new strategies to rally the working class to overcome sectarianism, racism and other divisions, and to overthrow the bosses of whatever nationality. Instead some are trying to warm up last night's dinner, despite the fact no-one wants it and it wasn't all that satisfying first time round. Oh and by the way. Would I fuck ever support the unrestrained power of armed cliques over the people. See if you can work out how punishment beatings might not be everyone's favourite model of crime prevention and justice. Or why I don't really want to see my family governed by an Army Council military dictatorship. This is ridiculous fantasy. The violence of the War of Independence which led to Britain ceding control of the 26 Counties? Historically justified, particularly as it had the support of the bulk of the Irish people. The RIRA on the other hand, are a tiny terrorist entity trying to use their bombs to cause an escalation in State repression and consequently, as the theory goes, renewed resistance. Despite the fact that almost no-one, anywhere, has any appetite for this scenario.

Paul, I have no idea why you expect us to defend the existing settlement, clearly it is an opportunistic stitch-up designed to enable the development of the economy on a ‘normalised’ capitalist basis, with increased exploitation of the working class and the opening up of new markets, integration into the European economy, privatisations etc. And of course the current ‘peace’ is unlikely to be viable in the medium-term as partition will always provoke antagonisms and the skeleton of the Orange State is still in place. But, if YOU knew anything about “the situation in Northern Ireland” you would know that support for the type of armed struggle practised in the past by the Provos and currently by the ‘dissidents’ has collapsed in the last 20 years, including among many who were previously its firmest supporters – and I am talking about the general population, not the political leaderships.

If the GFA has in any sense brought re-unification any closer, it is simply in the recognition that the Provo campaign was ultimately proving counter-productive. There is an opportunity now for revolutionaries to formulate new strategies to rally the working class to overcome sectarianism, racism and other divisions, and to overthrow the bosses of whatever nationality. Instead some are trying to warm up last night’s dinner, despite the fact no-one wants it and it wasn’t all that satisfying first time round.

Oh and by the way. Would I fuck ever support the unrestrained power of armed cliques over the people. See if you can work out how punishment beatings might not be everyone’s favourite model of crime prevention and justice. Or why I don’t really want to see my family governed by an Army Council military dictatorship.

]]> By: Sarah http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/have-a-bike-round-the-head-ya-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-3543 Sarah Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:47:43 +0000 http://ssy.org.uk/?p=3304#comment-3543 Right fianna, last fucking straw, your abusive posts don't cover up the fact that you're a crackpot who fantasises about violence from his armchair. You contribute nothing. BANNED. (anyone who isn't sure why, read his last post here) Right fianna, last fucking straw, your abusive posts don’t cover up the fact that you’re a crackpot who fantasises about violence from his armchair. You contribute nothing. BANNED. (anyone who isn’t sure why, read his last post here)

]]> By: fiannanahalba http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/have-a-bike-round-the-head-ya-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-3538 fiannanahalba Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:22:07 +0000 http://ssy.org.uk/?p=3304#comment-3538 Well said in your last post there Paul. Socialists are revolutionary tourists, the further away the struggle the more they support it. The SSP supports the GFA- Got Fuck All- they support British imperialisms and unionisms copper fastening of partition and the continuation of British occupation of Ireland. Theres more to national liberation than armed struggle, but the SSP/SSY are pacifists who ridicule armed resistance to armed to the teeth imperialism. Let them go light candles and amble round with nothing more than shouty slogans and interminable discussions to prove how clever they are. The real struggle goes on. Well said in your last post there Paul. Socialists are revolutionary tourists, the further away the struggle the more they support it. The SSP supports the GFA- Got Fuck All- they support British imperialisms and unionisms copper fastening of partition and the continuation of British occupation of Ireland. Theres more to national liberation than armed struggle, but the SSP/SSY are pacifists who ridicule armed resistance to armed to the teeth imperialism. Let them go light candles and amble round with nothing more than shouty slogans and interminable discussions to prove how clever they are. The real struggle goes on.

]]> By: Paul http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/have-a-bike-round-the-head-ya-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-3535 Paul Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:10:49 +0000 http://ssy.org.uk/?p=3304#comment-3535 Also everyrtime someone disagrees with your views you do not answer them but use cheap jokes and mostly speak gibberish. At no point you have argued succesfully that the GFA is working and that from a republicain point of view a united Ireland is getting closer to unification. Also for those that say it is impossible for Ireland to win an armed struggle please tell me how the South of Ireland gained its independence. Their are deaths in war all wars have deaths and this must be accepted innocents may be killed but it is the end goal that matters. Also everyrtime someone disagrees with your views you do not answer them but use cheap jokes and mostly speak gibberish. At no point you have argued succesfully that the GFA is working and that from a republicain point of view a united Ireland is getting closer to unification. Also for those that say it is impossible for Ireland to win an armed struggle please tell me how the South of Ireland gained its independence. Their are deaths in war all wars have deaths and this must be accepted innocents may be killed but it is the end goal that matters.

]]> By: Paul http://ssy.org.uk/2010/07/have-a-bike-round-the-head-ya-cunt/comment-page-1/#comment-3534 Paul Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:49:26 +0000 http://ssy.org.uk/?p=3304#comment-3534 You socialists are a disgrace the last fucking straw you people support palestinian who launch random rocket attacks these could land on anybody also they included suicide bombing. Yous are just a bunch eh pricks. When faced with real imperliasim you shy from it the RIRA and CIRA have vast support in northern ireland the youth want to fight. May I remind you the PIRA only had a core of a hundred men. They caused bombing runs in northern Ireland of which most bombs were phoned in so that only buildings were destroyed. The Rira and Cira have continued in this vein continously warning authorities so that only military and police figures are targeted. You understand nothing of the situation in Northern Ireland socialism is not a factor when you are nnot even granted the basic freedom of having your own land. You have shown yourself to be nothing but liberals continously you have ignored true socialist struggles prefering to argue against oil power plants than join in in helping the BA workers and now the BAA workers in their true socialist aims. The British continue to hold ireland against the Irish peoples will and the IRa will never stop until a united Ireland is gained. You socialists are a disgrace the last fucking straw you people support palestinian who launch random rocket attacks these could land on anybody also they included suicide bombing. Yous are just a bunch eh pricks. When faced with real imperliasim you shy from it the RIRA and CIRA have vast support in northern ireland the youth want to fight. May I remind you the PIRA only had a core of a hundred men. They caused bombing runs in northern Ireland of which most bombs were phoned in so that only buildings were destroyed. The Rira and Cira have continued in this vein continously warning authorities so that only military and police figures are targeted. You understand nothing of the situation in Northern Ireland socialism is not a factor when you are nnot even granted the basic freedom of having your own land. You have shown yourself to be nothing but liberals continously you have ignored true socialist struggles prefering to argue against oil power plants than join in in helping the BA workers and now the BAA workers in their true socialist aims. The British continue to hold ireland against the Irish peoples will and the IRa will never stop until a united Ireland is gained.

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