AHAHAHA

esp love how you said “the body” instead of “women’s bodies”… where can i get part ownership of a man’s body? totes want one.

the entire debate around abortion is not something which is focussed on whether or not a women has the right to do whatever she wants with her body. this point is accepted by both pro life and choice individuals. Therefore your calls for this will only fall upon death ears amongst the pro life community. rather the debate is more focussed upon whether the fetus is a part of a womens body, or an independent autonomous human being. You obviously believe that the fetus is not an individual human being, but rather part of a womans body, you are entitled to this point of view, however it is reasonable for you to be expected to justify it.

The pro life community is not anti human rights, whether you agree with them or not, what the want to do is bring the only fundamental human right (i use the word fundamental because all other human rights are void if one is not given) to a group in our society which is most vulnerable, the unborn. that right is the right to life.

You as a group i’m sure believe we all have the right to life. the death penalty is therefore wrong, infanticide is therefore wrong,and the list could go on.

It does seem that if you look at whether a fetus is a human life, we must say yes. I say this because we recognize human life to beginning at conception from a scientific perspective. It would also be hypocritical to say a child born very prematurely should have infanticide committed against it for humanitarian reasons (they will have a higher chance of developing severe disabilities), whilst believing in the right to life. therefore if we recognize the premature baby as a human life with the right to life, it stands to logic that the equivalent age unborn child must also be a human life. if you have agreed with me thus far, that unborn children in the very late stage of development are human lives (which most pro choice people do because they agree on restricted abortions to the last trimester), then by taking his principle it is impossible to use the argument that the fact the baby is Dependant upon the women makes it part of her body (or else this would apply in the last trimester).

first and second trimester fetus’ should be considered both a human life, and an autonomous individual unless a significant reason is given to the opposition.

I have thought about it very much and tried to find a reason for why the unborn human should not be afforded equal dignity to the rest of us. I have never found a reason. Some people say they the so young, yet we have an age discrimination act. Some people say they don’t have sentience, yet the most active pro choice campaigners would be amongst the first along with pro lifers to fight, if we began to euthenise, as the Nazis did, people with severe mental disabilities. some people say it is the fact they are Dependant on the mother, yet we have established in the previous paragraph that this would be hypocritical because they are still a human life, and therefore have the right to life.

I am a pro lifer and i am not ashamed of it. I hope you have seen that my reasons for this are not religious, are not anti human rights and are not mysoganistic. If the only thing this testimony has done is to broaden you minds, to see that not all pro life individuals are crazy women hating, anti human rights extremist fundamentalist catholics then i will be happy. On the contry, most prolifers are in fact people who are genuinely concerned that human rights are not being fairly applied, if you disagree with this, it is not best to fling words such a fascist and misogynist around but to address the issues with coherent, logical and consistent argument.

thank you.

I now have a question now. please, if anybody has a good reason why they feel a fetus is not a human life and therefore does not have the right to life, please write below as i will be most interested to hear your views.

sean

My friend just had a beautiful baby boy after being responsible and using contraception, which failed. She decided to continue with her pregnancy. Some people wouldn’t have done. I want every woman to have that choice.

Abortion is legal up to a maximum of 24 weeks – abortions after 22 weeks make up less than 1% of total abortions, and 90% of abortions are performed in the first twelve weeks.

One in three women have an abortion in their lifetime – so yeah, we know what we’re talking about.

The only thing that’s going to decrease that number is better sex education and better contraception – NOT attacking abortion rights.

Also, it’s not like SPUC are saying “we don’t like abortion, but oh well, never mind”. They would be extremely happy if the right to an abortion was forcefully taken away from women, and actively campaign to do this. If society had a vote and decided that abortion was illegal, I would be totally opposed to that, no matter how “undemocratic” that was, and would have no moral qualms about helping women to access safe abortions despite the majority that says it is wrong.

1) Do you know what the word impartial means? You clearly have a view.
2) If some Tory MPs succeed in restricting a woman’s right to choose in the next parliament, how is that an expression of ‘democracy’? You make it sound as if we’re away to have a referendum on the issue and everyone gets a say. We’re not. The handful of the population that have the money and the privilege to get themselves elected to the Westrminster parliament will.
3) It is not anyone else’s choice to decide what someone does with their own body.
4) You’re trying to portray things like everyone has some kind of legitimate point of view. But when your point of view is you want to take control of someone else’s body, and pass laws that will directly lead to the harm and death of thousands of women, then your point of view is no longer legitimate. It’s an expression of misogyny, i.e. woman-hating. You don’t have to be a man to be a misogynist, plenty of women have integrated the dominant ideas of our patriarchal society.

The way you put things across reminds me of the bit in Peep Show where Mark’s like “Isn’t that what a multicultural society is all about? You’ve got the Jews, the Muslims and the racists all living side by side.” Of course the problem is that one of those groups wants to attack the others, and their views are not legitimate.